The Yeshuan Model of Subjective Faith in the Next Age

The Yeshuan Model of Subjective Faith in the Next Age | Heart Of The Matter with Shawn McCraney

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Hi. Hey, welcome. Welcome, welcome. No big grand opening here. And Delaney and I, we just thought, this isn’t entering into a mind-blowing, brand-new era, age, next age, and we want to talk to you about it in all seriousness. So we thought, why go to all the preparation to read and deliver to you like we’ve done for 20 years and let’s converse and let the spirit guide us as we talk about uh heart of the matter epiphany even though there’s been a lot of preparation thinking it would be a presentation a lot the spirit was not right no it’s about it’s much
better to just talk about it it was too much to try to have we were trying to jam-pack 20 years into the first show to get you to understand and we thought we’ve given you 20 years to help you understand let’s just talk so what’s 20 years What did you start for anyone who doesn’t know who we are? What did you do 20 years ago? What have you been doing for 20 years? Well, in 2000, in 97 I was born from above.
I came to know who Christ was as a Mormon. And then I wrote a book called Born Again Mormon and then got an offer to be on television. And then 20 years ago, actually longer, we started building a set for a full power television station here in Utah that was Christian based. And we started to produce weekly content on a show called Heart of the Matter.
And so that’s what this is. It’s the continuance of Heart of the Matter 20 years later. And we’ve pretty much done it for 20 years to some extent or another, but now we are ready to bring forth all that we’ve discovered. So before we bring that forth, give us a quick overview of the eras of Heart of the Matter and what you were learning over that time.
All right. Well, the first era was starting off coming flying in every week. I was enrolled in the Calvary Chapel School of Ministry, so I hadn’t even finished that yet. I had asked to be excommunicated from the Mormon church four or five years earlier and I faced a tribunal in Park City to be excommunicated for something I deserved.
I could never match up to what they wanted by that stage. And so we were just talking about comparing Mormonism to Christianity. It was a call-in show, always a call-in show, And we did that for a number of years from 2006 to 2009 or 10. And that’s when Cassidy joined. And when Cassidy joined us, we started to ramp up our production and we started to do more things.
We also created a program called Partners for people to help finance us. And that worked really well for about three or four years and helped sustain us and get out of debt. And Cassidy was with us for about four years. And then she and Matt got married. And then we entered into got kicked off the air in 2012 because we went after the evangelicals.
We’ve discovered that evangelicalism is just as fraught with problems theologically as Mormonism. Mormonism is much further afield, but evangelicalism refuses to let go of their traditions based on the Bible. Go ahead. So Heart of the Matter really, from the start, has been misread a lot because people thought it would go a certain direction because you were evangelical, or they thought it would go a certain direction because you were criticizing evangelicals.
The point of Heart of the Matter was always like evaluating organized religion from an extremely independent relationship with christ is that correct that’s a great way to put it and you guys we haven’t practiced this uh so this is not contrived we are sitting down doing the i like to say that because i don’t like people to think anything’s ever contrived.
We are sitting down doing the, I like to say that because I don’t like people to think anything’s ever contrived. So what it was, was I entered into the ministry to Mormons and all I thought I was going to do is talk to Mormons about Jesus. But as I did that on the air, questions would come up and then I would also see how the evangelicals would respond, and then how they would write me and say, you’re wrong on this.
And so without my knowing, I slowly morphed into, well, now it’s not just Mormonism. Now we got to test to see how much of Christianity is right, because I just took it carte blanche like it was true. And most people don’t do that they’re too embarrassed i it’s like a marriage i got divorced once this second marriage has got to work you know so i i left mormonism you know i got divorced this second marriage to evangelicalism better work or else there’s something wrong with me is how it went but uh that’s not the way i think i don’t care i want
the truth and so we morphed into starting to examine evangelicalism and then just religion and materialism and the Bible from a really 30,000 foot view of what is it really saying. And that happened over the course of about 10 years, 10, 12 years. Okay. of about 10 years, 10, 12 years. Okay. And along that, you did campus, which was a church at the time.
It still continues on, not as a church, but where you taught verse by verse through the Bible. So you went into Heart of the Matter really not knowing much of the Bible. You knew the School of Ministry. You knew Calvary Chapel. Yeah. But you were criticizing Mormonism with a deep understanding of it, without a deep understanding of the Bible really.
As you came to understand the Bible in a really personal and non-institutional or non-denominational way, you came to, you took 20 years and you’ve now come to a point where you have a holistic perspective on all of it yeah we have i think arrived and we’re going to be bold at having arrived today after we um get this going but um yeah and you know I could say this not proudly but it’s like it’s just like those guys who discover DNA or the helix or something like that they’re lead driven to search to find out it’s like Edison with the light bulb I’m not sure that’s true, but Edison.
And so I was driven where most people are not driven and in a way that most people are not driven. And that is what makes our approach unique. Now, you don’t have to accept it, but I have done what most other people will not do and I’ve done it in a way that most other people will not do it yeah it’s evidenced on what we’re gonna pretty much launch here which is called the yet called yes you ends it’s evidence on that platform just whether you other people were watching or not you need to figure this out for yourself um and that is
to the people’s just what’s the word people despise that for some reason yeah disdain um but there are another fact number of factors that led to disdain for me and what we do uh it’s like the hub and spoke, which is a favorite model of mine because it just says everything. In the middle is me, and at the top was, I was once a Mormon, so we’ve alienated the Mormons.
Now I was also once an evangelical, and now I’ve alienated the evangelicals because many of their concepts were faulty. There was also the fact that I was learning as we went, and I was willing to change as we discovered new things. Now, the people who criticize me are the traditionalists who talk about things like ancient paths and following the early church fathers, and we have the direct connection to apostolic authority and all that stuff.
They hated that I was learning as I went, and so they used that, oh, how’s he going to change again? What new thing is he going to do? They didn’t realize that we were in a period that we call R&D. We were in research and development. And what was inspiring us is not God.
this is the thing that’s really important for you to understand we’ll unpack it but yeah yeah we’ll unpack it too much no no yeah it’s not god it’s how god made me to see and understand and you have the right to do the same thing yeah right but i was willing to publicly do what i was made to do and understand without hesitation. Yeah. So all the disdain, all the criticisms are from a place, an incorrect assumption of what you were doing.
Yeah. In my opinion. Yeah. under like assumption of what you were doing in my opinion, the assumption was that you were trying to, you named the negative assumption. It was there. Yeah. I get, I, yeah. Cause the, the, the disdain comes from every single direction.
The assumption was not, I guess, that you were literally trying to search out what having a literal relationship with God in your heart looked like. Yeah. Because that’s not religion. There’s no outsourcing the blame on some doctrine or whatever about God. It’s like, what do I think about God? How does God work with me? What does, is he involved in? What does he, what do I have control of? All of that you’ve been working on for 20 years and a really rich understanding and biblically based understanding of that now is what we’ll talk about tonight.
Biblically based. Yeshuans is going to bring forward. That’s what we’ll talk about tonight biblically based yeshuans is going to bring forward that’s what we’re going to name today i appreciate it because what you’re what you’re bringing in is you’re telling the audience what happened was i was active latter day saint searching searching searching failing you know all that stuff but when i had the roadside experience i had it directly with god i did not have someone saying now believe this and believe it was directly with him and because
of that i did i came to this state when i did the show and i said i don’t care what you said you’ll you never were gonna not do never keep working on that direct experience never had stopped so as long as you are being criticized from any sort of collective group institution whatever it’s you’re there you’re going to fail them because you’re not going to do that right correctly like so this is to usher in yes. And if you go online, you can see, first of all, he is, he’s demonically possessed.
Then there is, he’s a cult leader. And so we try. Where’s the cult, may I ask? We want to know where the cult is. And they’ll say, what’s right in that name? And they don’t even get how the name is just a joke on them. They say you’re a cult leader, yet not one person who’s ever been with us, worked with us, known us, has ever said I’ve ever tried to control anything they believe, paid, said, did, attended.
Never. We don’t do that. Then they said we’re trying to start our own religion. I’m trying to be another Joseph Smith. I’m not trying to be anybody but me. So they heretic yeah heretics the biggest heretic as if we care about here yeah as if you haven’t taught through every single verse of the bible like all the yeah it’s again it reveals where they’re coming from more than what you’re about. The frustration is just the misunderstanding, I think.
And I don’t blame people. Like, that’s the effect of religion. Religion has conflated Christ and God with so many things that people can’t see someone just independently seeking God out. They don’t believe that works it’s not possible so the other thing was is i’ve insulted people you know i came into this from a very rough weird background genetic makeup experience in life a punk and so when someone says something to me that’s offensive and i can tell that they are not being upfront, I can’t help but just call them out.
That’s just what you do. You know, you don’t play a religious game of, well, brother, I just don’t agree with you. It’s like you’re fucking lying, man. And that is lost in religion because you can’t be that way. I’m not going to be the way it says. I’m going to be what God made me to be. I’ll let him work on and grow me. But they use that against me too. He said the F word.
Come on, man. When are we going to grow up and realize I’m a human being, you’re human. If the Pope hit his hand square with a hammer, he’s going to drop the F bombbomb in Italian. That’s just being human, you know? Oh my gosh. Yeah. It just, the need for control of you, for the certainty, for not making mistakes.
And again, all of this gets answered by Yeshua. This isn’t just, this is just an introduction, but, um, and it is based in you. That’s been something we’ve had to work through is like, like, that’s why there’s like cult or religion or whatever. Joseph Smith. It’s because you’re a person that’s just doing, and you’re not telling anyone to agree with you.
Joseph Smith, it’s because you’re a person that’s just doing, and you’re not telling anyone to agree with you. That’s where it’s different. But like, it’s been really challenging because you’ve went out and did all this work and it does change people’s lives. And to us, you’re like, you’re a biblical philosopher, but to no one can see it that way. You’re, you just, you, and we’ll talk about that, that like you separate God from it. You’re bringing out your ideas.
It’s not saying it’s the truth of God, but, but so, um, but all that said, you’ve had people behind you that I think have helped have can attest to what you’ve done believe what you’ve done and we all have our own version that’s not just you like giving it to us and we’ve all to figure it out and that’s your family yeah they’ve all questioned from the get-go they’ve all wondered and varied in different ways when i started you were still were you in high school or college i was in middle school when you started i might have been in elementary i was very young yeah and she
she got baptized when i got baptized you just wanted to yeah yeah. In our backyard pool. Yeah. I went, I, yeah, me and my sisters and my mom, we all had different paths to arrive at the same place. And even the same place looks different. It’s not, we’re like all kind of in different places, but we’re on the same page in spirit with this.
So strongly. So. And I could, I mean, you’ve heard it so many times, and that’s going to be unique to tonight’s unveiling too, is the role and place the family, the Sean and Mary McCraney family plays in this ministry. That should come out. So speaking of the family, you mentioned that we did Bible studies.
We did at the U. We did at a movie theater. And we recorded those. Mallory did the music. This is another way that we were unique. We said, look it, if you’re going to get together, you want to learn the Bible. You don’t want to learn what men do, so we weren’t going to teach you men worship songs. We were going to teach you scripture.
I had so many complaints from dumb, stupid, had so many complaints from dumb, stupid, culturally cultivated Christians. This isn’t Christian music. It’s the literal verses of the Bible put to songs. The Psalms. That’s what Psalms are. They’re songs. Jesus sang a psalm in the upper room before he went to the cross. We sing the word of God set to music by your sister.
We’ve done it for 20 years about and it’s blessed people’s lives and yet the culture won’t accept it. Another thing where we said, we don’t care. Okay. And then to go through everybody, mom has literally kept this afloat. Can’t say enough about mom. she’s the glue to our family uh without her in my life i would be a bum more than i already am i would have been lost on the highways and byways of a storm tossy i would sea. I would have been in and out of drugs and prison and crime.
And I would have just lived a terrible life. God knew what he was doing when he introduced me to Mary Marguerite Blanche DuBose in the LDS church. We were both members. And so we’re grateful for that connection. And jumping ahead, we actually love the institution of Mormonism. And we’ll talk about that.
And always have loved the organization and the people. It’s the leadership that are just pathetic. But we can talk about that later. So mom, I mean, and she has not gone to the mountain and sought this herself because that’s not how mom is made. Mom is made to love her husband. Yeah, that is, she does not have the time.
No. She needs to, like, she is doing her job fully for this ministry. She serves our family. Yeah. She helps our family. for this ministry. Our family. Yeah. She helps our family. And in the past six years or more, she’s worked outside the home and made money so that we could do this. So invaluable.
And I got started four years ago. In the ministry? Yeah. You got started four years ago. Cassidy back in 2009. Mallory in creating the music. And you guys have all orbited in and out in different ways. Testing. I’m not sure about this one, Dad. I mean, that’s fine. I’ve told several. I don’t know if I’ve told you.
You want to go back to the Mormon church? Go. Whatever you want to do, you can do. Our love is unconditional. But our findings, we challenge anybody to test our findings. I don’t think they can win. That’s why they don’t mess with me anymore. Nobody will talk with us because they know they can’t win.
Well, tonight is to launch all of those findings in an organized way into the future. That is what tonight’s for. We’re going to get into it. Do you want to say anything, or should we introduce the family? Let’s introduce the family. All right. I am here. It is New Year’s Eve Day, December 31st. And I’m here with all of our family except for one member.
We miss him dearly. That’s Nicholas. That’s these boy’s dad and this daughter’s husband. Nicholas had to work, and so they’re going to go back tonight. But we are so glad you’ve joined us with our family i just want to introduce everybody uh right here is the wife of my youth for how many years now honey almost 42 almost 42 years and uh i just can’t you know every man does this but you know if you read my journals, you’ll know there would be no me. There would be no this if there wasn’t this. And that’s true. I’m not
blowing smoke. If there wasn’t this, there would be no this, at least not in the way we’re seeing it now. We wouldn’t all be smiling, put it that way uh so i owe my uh earthly success and life and value to this one right here and she’s put up with a lot through me and you guys know that knowing us so right next to her is our oldest daughter mallory and she is the mother to these two boys laser and samson respectively laser, Laser and the Red.
And they’ve been on the show. In fact, Delaney’s going to show you a clip of them when they were little on the show, learning a concept. In fact, Delaney’s going to incorporate several little clips in this of everybody having been on the show at different times. But this is the family. And then next to Mallory is our middle daughter, Cassidy.
Now, Mallory does all the music for us, which we get compliments from all the time. And Cassidy was in the ministry starting in 2009. And she was behind the scenes doing all sorts of things with video and music and spots. And she even hosted a couple times when I was absent, being arrested or something.
So this is Cassidy, and then next to her is her husband. This is Matt, and Matt is a wonderful human being, just like Nicholas. My three sons-in-laws are like a composite of the Christ, literally. They look like him, they have a mildness and kindness like him, and they have strength like him. And so when I look at my three sons-in-laws, I see masculine embodiment of what a true Christian is.
None of this BS, macho stuff. These guys are accomplished and strong. And so that’s Matt sitting next to her. And sitting on their lap is this beautiful little compilation and her name is Mary Bird hello Mary Bird hello she says hello this is Mary Bird’s first time can you say hello it is hello alright time oh right and then and then that oh yeah and then we have Odie Odie is the family mascot and ferocious but also like Jesus harmless as a dog yeah And then we have our youngest daughter and you guys know
Delaney because she’s been on camera and we are partners in governing the administrative part and the directional part. Our family is our board. Our family is the board of our ministry and they, we will always be the board. And because we believe in family as there’s a unity with families that transcends outsiders.
We’ve tested it. We’ve brought outsiders in several times. It just doesn’t work. So I’ve got Larry. And next to Delaney, the youngest, is Larry, our newest addition. They joined on July 11th. And they were married. And then Larry joined the family. But they have known each other for 10 years about, haven’t you? And it’s been quite the romance, we must say.
And Delaney is now Prego with a baby girl. And she’s going to be born sometime in the near future. So Larry is a great addition. Our family means everything to us right here. Nothing. This ministry does not mean anything to me. I mean, God means everything to me, first and foremost. But outside of him, nothing means more to mom and I than this family.
And we are not perfect, and we are not any kind of special prophets, but we have witnessed a lot and experienced a lot together, a lot. And they’ve all had to go through the shenanigans of their dad growing and learning and dynamics. And so very grateful to have everybody here. Put them on. Anything anyone wants to say before? Delaney, would you like to add? Nope.
Not nothing, but thankful the family’s here. Anything our boys want to say? No, I don’t think so. Nope. Wait, Sam’s just thinking. Nope. Nothing to say. Don’t feel pressure. It’s fine. You don’t think so. Nope. Wait, Sam’s just thinking. No, nothing to say. Don’t feel pressure. It’s fine. You don’t have to.
Anybody else? Would you like to say something to everybody before we go? Would you like to sing a song, maybe? No, you’re being shy now? Okay. And our guard dog has gone to sleep. We’re happy you’re here. we’re ready for a great series of heart of the matter we love you nicholas love you nicholas okay so thank you for that indulgence and we know it is an indulgence, but I just want to say that is our governing board.
If you want to know who governs us, it’s those people. Delaney and I, we are the administrative arm of, I’m the biblical philosopher, and she is the immaterial architect Delaney went to Christian school not school but Christian activities since like junior high and high school in Huntington then she went to a Nazarene University where she got her undergraduate was it kinesiology yeah movement yeah and then she went and got her advanced degree or master’s in architecture from the University of Michigan.
And so she’s taken these skills that are innate to her and she’s using them to make sure that our arcs and our framework and our foundation and everything is consistent so that there’s least amount of holes or danger for collapse. And she’s really good at that. The whole picture. And then she calls me out on things.
Wait, wait, wait. So that’s how we work together. I’m the biblical philosopher. She is the immaterial architect. And with the foundation of our family being behind us, that’s how we govern this ministry. Is it like a normal church? No. Do we call ourselves pastors, priests, elders, deacons? No. Because that time is done.
So let’s talk about that, Delaney. Shall we rock into the new show? Let’s get it started. This is the end of the show. I hope you find bliss one day, one way you can’t miss. I’m here to tear all the walls down. Doesn’t matter if it’s a large town or a small town.
Just like Joshua and the famous walls of Jericho, I’m here to tear down the institution. But you must tell seven friends. You must first bring seven friends. And don’t be selfish and keep this all to yourself and don’t eat selfish. Hate is trying to take someone else’s love for yourself. But I’m here to tell you that love is trying to help someone else.
You need to see me right away so I can fix this up. You need to see me right away so I can fix this You need to see me right away You need to see me right away so I can fix this You need to see me right about now And if you are suffering a straight sickness Or someone is blocking a follow your success you need to see me right away so I can fix this I’m sincerely yours and faith, love and peace your friend Archbishop Harold Holmes January 6th, 2026.
The day, what is today? Well, if you look back in religious history, this is something we didn’t know, and this is how our ministry kind of unfolds, is that we have plans, and then they kind of dovetail into historical significance what were the plans our plans were made several years ago really is to bring forth all of our conclusions from our research and development over the past 20 to 40 years uh but forward to the world on this day, January 6th.
Why? Because it’s the first Tuesday of 2026. But then we learned through ways we won’t go into that this day is called Epiphany Day. It’s on most calendars around the world. We did not know this. Until very recently, actually. Four weeks ago, we realized it. And why do they call it Epiphany Day? Well, in material Christianity, celebrated by people who read the Bible and follow the Bible today closely and try to replicate the Bible, they say Epiphany are three events where Christ was manifested as Savior to the world.
These three events are all material. The first one was when the three magi came and brought gifts the that was an epiphany of him coming forward as born into this world as king the second one was at his baptism where uh the father said this is my beloved son and he was washed and anointed by the descending of the holy spirit to be a king and priest for this age and then the third one was his first miracle at canaan where he turned water into wine okay so uh we said that’s an epiphany because we are going to announce something very different.
And I can use this backboard to explain what that is if we’re ready. Yeah, but the point is that we were preparing to announce this without knowing about epiphany. And what we’re announcing just converges perfectly with perfectly with that and in so many other ways all right so what let’s go through it what is today what are we what are you naming what am i naming as today all right well we are boldly coming forward and we are stating that today january 6 2026, for all sorts of reasons, for all sorts of reasons, we are saying that the former age,
which has to be explained, but you’ll understand every easy the former age is done former age of material religion it’s over it’s dead it started dying years ago we’re only using this day symbolically to say we believe it actually is coming into the world now, that the former material age is done, and Christ is rising up in the hearts of those who are truly His, starting now throughout the world, irrespective of religion.
We’re naming the next age of spiritual interaction with Christ. The way we describe it is the next age of subjective faith with respect to a dematerialized Christ. That’s right. It’s a really heavy set of words, and we’ll get into it, but this is the next age.
And we as Yeshuans in our organization, Yeshuans, wants to do everything we can to usher that in alongside you, alongside others that are also doing that. Yeah. And in addition to our family, we have a think tank group of people who have been through our leadership. They’re dear and close friends of ours. We meet with, we talk with, they give us feedback. They will say, we don’t agree with this, and those who are of the faith and walk by love stay, and they keep adding or taking away, they’re welcome to go, and that’s our think tank group. Yeah, so I think you’ve seen a lot of symbols and colors and things
in the background behind us and the intro. So maybe you can get up and you can start to describe the past stage and the next stage using the background. Take the mic. Okay, so let me just go through this backdrop piece of art that we’re going to use for Heart of the Matter Epiphany this year of 2026.
I want to start off by saying these symbols are just teaching tools that we use to help people understand biblical concepts. And let me reiterate, everything I’m going to say is supported biblically through a sound, reasonable, contextual analysis of the scripture. It’s not revelations from God.
It is not something that can’t be known by any Bible reader. But if you’re going to read the Bible, you have to be willing to take it into absolute context, Genesis to Revelation, to be able to put this together in the way that we’ve done it. So let me explain. These colored globes, Venn diagram really, represent the age we’ve been in.
All right? The first age that we’ve been in is this entire first circle. Don’t pay attention to this yet. And this red circle represents the Bible age. This big red circle and this part of the orange circle does not represent the, this is the Old Testament and this is the New. This first circle completely represents the Bible age.
So you can start it here and you can say, well, that’s the fall, or you can say that is the giving of the law. Either way works for us. And then about this far into that Old Testament age where a God established a nation and promised them to bring forth a Messiah, that Messiah was born right here.
And this intersection of him entering the world takes this red age and it makes this intersecting fish symbol, this intersecting, this edge of the whole biblical age, this is what people call the New Testament. This orange area. From this span, his birth goes all the way to his return. To his return. And that makes the full biblical account. So when you read the Bible, you are reading the Bible from all the Old Testament to all that Jesus said and did, ending when he returned at this point. Okay? That’s all that represents.
We’ve gone through this, scoured it to see what should happen after he returned, this point right here. And why do we say he returned at this point? Because that’s what all of our research and development has proven, and you can test all that. All right? Now, what is this yellow age? Well, remember, he was born here in this biblical time, and so he started, and even though he was born and he died and was resurrected and returned, what he started continued out into this point in time, which ended on December 31st, 2025.
This is the bold thing that we’re saying. This age is over. It’s dead. It’s done. Do we have it up on our wall? We do. Why? Because to study it, you learn principles and you see the history of all that God has done. And by studying that, knowing that, it helps you know how to live principally today.
This yellow, though, because Christ returned for his bride in this part, this yellow from this point all the way to here represents what humans have done with Christ. And if you go from Christ himself to his return, life, death, resurrection, ascension, return, this is what the early church fathers, this is what the Catholic church, this is what orth church fathers, this is what the Catholic church, this is what orthodoxy, this is what Protestantism, this is what Mormonism, this is what all man-made religion has done with this event right here. They have stretched it out
and they’ve tried to say, we need to replicate this model or we need to replicate the whole model. You know, it comes in different ways depending on what institution you belong to. This yellow globe represents 2,000 years of patriarchal masculine religion. All of it harkens back to this former model and has tried to govern the world through masculine elements of religion, including law, punishment, threat, Satan, hell.
All of this stuff is captured still in this yellow age. And we look at the scripture and we say, God never intended this. This yellow age is the work of man. In fact, we say that every single religion on earth, except for what Christ established here, with his little bride made up of Jews and Gentiles, every religion expression for the past 2,000 years is from the mind of man, from the spirit of man, from the spirit of this world.
Does it work? Some work better than others, don’t they? Some religious minds and organizers really had a great idea on how to do this part, and they’ve done it. But they are no different in what they’ve brought forward in any way than anybody else who brings something forward that works in this world. You know, you could put Jeff Bezos in here and call this a technology, whatever it is.
Okay. This is the mind of man. Yes you wins is all from the mind of man. What we are saying to you comes from us. We’ve interpreted this philosophically. We’ve looked at the immaterial arcs and supports of it, and we’ve compared it to the material side. But in the end, we admit, too, whatever we are saying about material affectations toward the faith in this world is of man.
We are not, and this is important for me to say, we’re not receiving revelation from God. Why? Because we agree with what Hebrews said. When God said in past times, God spoke to us through prophets. But in these last days, the guy said back here, in these last days, he’s spoken to us by his son.
We maintain that God has spoken to all people by his son. No more intermediaries needed. No more brick and mortar religion needed. No more prophecies. No more prophets and apostles. No more deacons and elders and church and all that stuff that was part of this, gone.
But God says, I’m going to let man do what he wants with my son and what he did freely because this is our domain and this is what we’ve done. Okay? So what Delaney and I are suggesting is that at the end of this year, this age ended. Ended. It’s over. You want to ask questions about that from now to eternity? You can. You can call in at 3 p.m. on Sundays. You can write us. You can watch the shows.
But we think we can prove through the Bible this is all over. And what does that mean? It means that we are now and have moved now into this age. And we suggest that today, January 6th, 2026, is the official. We’re claiming it as the official. Could have started back here, but we’re saying it really started today.
We’re calling it epiphany. Like they called the celebration of epiphany for material religion here, we are saying this is a new epiphany where instead of, you might even say this is how far I think, where before three male magi came to the material Christ, that females now are going to rise up more.
This is going to be more matriarchal and more feminine attributes that Christ called for all of us to have, rather than the masculine attributes that pervade the Old Testament of war and bloodshed and condemnation and law. That starts today. We are proclaiming it as epiphany of the next age, the Spirit.
And we are going to move forward. What this entails, we don’t know. But we’re going to move forward and try to teach people that this age is over. And we are just jumping on what the zeitgeist of this world is showing us, how religion has been falling apart and we’ve been calling it for 20 years, how even the best organizations of religion are crumbling. They can’t last. Why? Because Christ’s kingdom is not of this world.
He’s of the spirit and he is coming back. He’s rising up spiritually in the hearts of all people where he dwells. So that’s the only thing we wanted to say in terms of explaining this and try to tell you that this is where we’re starting. And this is what we promote. If you want to know how and why and what we do and all of that, write us, call us.
And Delaney has some questions. Thank you. Thank you. I think we that makes it really clear what we’re doing today. But I want to unpack just a little bit on, you know, what has been done and what we’re going to be doing in more depth. So there’s the two. There’s today. There’s the center. There’s what’s happened before, which has two ages.
There is what the Bible said and then what’s happened since the Bible. Right. Then there’s today. And then there’s what’s coming. Right. Um, you until today, basically, but in preparation, uh, you know, until today have been in research and development on the red and orange and yellow. Is that correct? Yes.
You personally have tried to understand what the red was, what the orange was, what the yellow was. Yes. Everything that you’ve done can be encapsulated by calling that research and development. Yes. That research and development is offered at Yeshuans. Correct. Yeshuans.faith. This is the organization that we’re starting, have started if you haven’t caught on, but we’re launching really today.
And then there’s today. That’s this show. That’s us bringing it to you. That’s us announcing it. And now we’re moving into the implementation of everything you’ve learned for research and development you’ve come up with ways to move into the purple right to work in the purple as an individual not in religion right there’s so many things that you’ve also done that are on this side of implementation that are not really out there yet that yeshuans is also doing so is there anything i mean i kind of don’t even want to talk about the red orange and yellow
because you’ve taught you have there’s over 10 000 hours of free content in the form of courses, books, shows, programs, like truly anything you can imagine. Art is on the Yeshuans app that explains the past. Yeah. But there’s also a chat GPT to search it. AI bot to ask questions about that content.
There’s, yeah, there’s everything. It’s all being refined i’ll just add that we’re always developing it but it’s in its like first stage and it’s there and you can use it um and we’ll get into it but i think that’s naming the i think the way to I think the way to describe that is identifying the biblical tenets that you’ve identified.
Right. So you started with one, and it’s probably the biggest one, which is fulfillment. Right. Do you want to just quickly explain fulfillment? I’m going to go through the things you’ve figured out. Yeah. the things you figured out. Yeah. In the orange phase, we believe that Jesus’ promise to come back was to them then, that the scripture was written to them then, revelation was clearly written to them then, for them then, and that he clearly, through the writings of the apostles, the language, the Greeks,
outside sources like Josephus and Cassius Dio and Suetonius and other resources clearly outweigh in terms of evidence that he returned for his small, beat up, persecuted, being put to death bride in 70 AD. And that was the end of their world. That’s the best way to summarize it. We can prove it.
Now, do people, you have an elephant that is the proof and on the elephant are a few hairs that we don’t have complete solid answers for, but they’re just hairs on the back of the elephant. Can we make all four legs stand on the table? Not completely, because you can’t do that with anything in the faith. You can’t do it with futurism either. You can’t do it with anything.
But we have the preponderance of the elephant. And if we can prove that to you, you will begin to understand why we’ve divided this faith up in this way. Yep. Um, I’m going through the points of what is a pamphlet that you can download, but for now we’ll just go through them. So fulfillment is one, um, fulfillment implies so much.
So like so much so like so much and again that’s what your rnd has been about is what is god doing now um but the end of things what ended satan death hell what like what is what was and is now over that christians need to understand what was was certainly a separated place from God, Sheol, hell.
What was was a titled being who accused the brethren, whether collectively or individually, demons or spirits. There was a being called HaSatan. What was was a place of torment in the afterlife for people who died without faith. And then what was, was the need to have faith on Christ, especially in the Apostolic age of the New Testament, in order to be saved from the coming great and dreadful day.
All of those things biblically in place are the wass. The other one was you had to be born from above by faith. Okay. Uh, what all of this in the red and the orange, all of it there, all of it. And we did exist. It did exist. We admit all that. Okay. Uh, what was now exists is the removal of those things. We can get into that. Let’s just go over what, what was, what was red and orange. The end of those things. So it’s not saying hell never existed. It’s not saying sin was never a factor. It’s that Christ overcame them and fulfilled it with his second coming. Okay. Sort of on that note is reconciled soteriology, salvation.
There was a mechanism of salvation that happened that’s different today, and we’ll get into what it is today. The mechanism of salvation in the Old Testament from Genesis all the way through to Christ returning was faith. Okay.
to christ returning was faith okay and you had to have faith either on god old testament or you had to have faith on his son to be saved from hell from darkness from satan’s grasp and from the great and dreadful day okay um okay that is what was there’s a couple other tenets that are implied when we look at this okay um ontology of god and how god works with people okay ontology of god it’s just to say that when we look at this there are ages there are ages there is a different a difference between how God worked with people in the red how God works with people in the orange the yellow and now the purple yeah um and that kind of implies a different ontology of God where
the flesh of Yeshua isn’t permanent and forever there So is it too much or do you want to explain that a little bit? It’s a really lengthy conversation, but to summarize it, if I can remember what you’re saying, is soteriology comes from the word soter, and it means to be saved. To be saved to a good place in Sheol in the Old Testament came by faith, faithfulness.
If you didn’t have faith, you would go to the prison part, the bad part of the covered place. When Christ came and John the Baptist said he’s preparing the way for his kingdom and Christ said, believe on me or you will perish.
He was saying, if you want to be my disciple, you have to have faith on me because you were promised me by your forefathers. I am your Messiah. You have to believe on me. And if you don’t, you will die in the great and dreadful day that’s coming. You will also, if you die before that, go to hell. You’ll go to the dark place. Okay. And so you had to have faith on him fulfilling the, uh, prophecies and promises.
The old Testament gave of him. That was central. And he gave prophets and apostles, elders, deacons, and all that to structure that bride with a system so that they could encourage believers to continue to have faith on him until he returned to take them. Okay. Okay. That was how you were saved. Okay.
Yeah. Okay. Um, all right. So you did a whole bunch of R and D on the red and the orange. You also did a lot of R and D on the yellow. You’ve tried to figure out religion and you described that when you were up there, but it’s just to point out that all of that work is, you know, what people are calling deconstruction or whatever is what is the work that you’ve done up until now? You’ve done it particularly with Mormonism and with evangelical Christianity.
Is there anything else you want to add about the yellow before we move on to the purple? I just want to add that the entire yellow 2000 year patriarchal masculine driven church is built off a foundation of men who weren’t taken by Christ when he came and took his bride, but were left behind. Christ when he came and took his bride but were left behind a citizenship on this earth that somehow believed or didn’t believe and we don’t know who they were, but they were off.
Some of them had things right, some of them Christ established it for his own in that little period. And that is a misappropriation. It’s anachronistic. It’s not biblically sound. It’s not biblically sound.
It doesn’t fit in with all the descriptors that God has given about what he wanted to happen, which was he would live directly in our hearts. The veil was down. There’s no more religion. But that’s another thing. And so it’s just that yellow orb is just after Christ. It’s just everyone trying to come forward and show that they can do what Jesus started best. And every one of them, while well-intentioned.
And that’s another thing, Delaney, is that those intentions could be good, but it doesn’t make them true. That’s a big line I’m using a lot lately. Because something in this world is good does not make it true. Good works in this world, but it doesn’t mean it’s of the kingdom of God. God allows us to have, so they’ve all tried to do good.
Now, we’ve had some evil ones come up, you know, Jonestown and all those. But primarily, these religious organizations are trying to do something to help people live better lives. Organizations are trying to do something to help people live better lives. The problem is they do it wrongly and so badly that it does nothing but put them into bondage that Christ came to set them free from.
Okay. So the constant, again, like misread of what is trying to be done here is people saying, oh, you’re just going to bring out another, your version of that. Now, all these people have done that for all the yellow and now somehow you have the truth, right? So it’s very much not that, but before establishing what it is, the implication is that God put everything under his feet and has allowed all that yellow.
That’s right. And why is that? Why has he allowed it? Well, it seems like when you survey the biblical text. Christ put everything under his feet. Sorry. Yeah. It seems like when you look at that, God has always been like, this is what I’ve given you. This is what I want. But do what you want. So he did that with Adam and Eve.
They did what they wanted. So then he comes up with another plan. Or he had another plan in place. He tells the nation, do this. They don’t. So he punishes them. And then he gives them another alternative. He’s always working with us where we humans are. Why? Because God gave humans the domain over this world.
He told Adam and Eve, you know, take care of the garden and multiply and replenish and have dominion and subdue. This is our realm. It’s under our feet. We own it. And God is a good God. And he says, okay, what do you want to do? And for 2000 years, men have played church with again, and I have to stress this, with patriarchal masculine power that harkens back to an Old Testament rather than to the more feminine derived Christ message.
That has never won in this world of religion. The Old Testament God has always won in religion. I’ll just clarify that I know what he’s saying is not male and female. Not male and female. It’s masculine and feminine. It’s control and strength. Like masculine is not a bad thing. Masculine was just the way it was done.
And you see it in Judaism and all the Old Testament. You kind of even see it in parts in the New Testament or in the Apostle of the Creed. But Christ displays the more feminine reaction to it, which is meek, mild, agape, selfless, all those. Not female, more feminine. Yes. Men can be feminine and men need to be more feminine in this age of the spirit is our contention.
Yes. Okay. So what you just described and because God has allowed all that yellow is this idea of God that you in your research and development of a direct relationship with God, testing that, trying to figure it out, you’ve found that we have will in there and God has will. Like it’s a, there’s two things going on.
That’s what implies a lot about a different ontology of God. It implies a lot about everything, but it’s also what allows for the purple to come in because God has allowed people to essentially just do what they think culturally since the orange. That’s what the perspective of religion is with the Eshuans god allowed it and to say it’s true because the enlightenment happened and religion was affected by the enlightenment or post-modernism happened and religion is affected by like it’s just one-to-one with culture and the zeitgeist there’s a new age now a next stage a next age there’s been ages and we’re moving into the next one. It’s evident that
the world is a very different place right now. That doesn’t suggest Jesus is coming back and is going to burn it all up, which everyone is saying. It’s that we’re moving into the next stage. So the next stage. And that coming back and burning it all up ended when he came back and the Romans burned it all up.
They literally did. So just have to make this point. If he didn’t come back, then we are waiting for that yellow age to get to the time when he will. That’s called religion. And that is how we could be wrong. But we’re not. You know, religion has never proven itself for men to be right ever in any circumstance. Yeah.
And if it hasn’t been said yet, it’s said all over our stuff, but we are not asserting that we are correct. We, we believe this deeply, but you don’t have to take advantage of what we’re doing to learn from it, to reject it. Like you’re responsible. We’re responsible. We’re putting out the best we can do in this life. Can I interrupt? And what Delaney is saying in another way to say it is we are not offering a religion.
We are offering you a philosophy of the Bible to see it in that way, and you keep being a Catholic, a Mormon, a Baptist. It’s up to you. We don’t care about the religious you practice, because they’re all made of men. We think our approach is pretty good, but it’s not impervious to fault and being wrong, because it comes from men. Us. Our family. We have said we think it’s this way, but it is a plug-in that you can take and hang it in your car as a deodorizer and drive to your respective religion, having this philosophy on your heart.
And it will do wonders for your relationship with God directly. All right. So that exact thing describes to me why I believe in this so much, the yellow to the purple. The yellow is collective. It’s mandated. It’s controlled. It condemns. It excludes. It causes war. The yellow is about an ontologically perfect understanding of God and that being what saves you.
Like the yellow is all of those things. Doctrines and practices. Yes. That describe religion. Yes. The purple is the exact opposite. It’s individual. And let’s get into describing the purple. Yeah. But what’s important here is that it can be, we’ll get we’ll say this again but it it can be taken into any material context you can use this we are not starting a religion this is not even a group this is an educational uh wealth of content that you take and put into wherever you are, Muslim, Mormon, Calvinist.
For free. For free. For free. For free. Yeah, we’re not selling you. You don’t have to be a member. We’ve gone through iterations to test things in the R&D phase, but that’s all just testing. We called ourselves cult just to give a place setting to all the content because we, because our followers, which are slowly dwindling at that time, we’re like, what are you guys doing? You know, and we’re trying to hang on and you’ve been patient with us.
We aren’t going to do R and D anymore. We now are going to be promoting what we’ve discovered, but we’re trying to get you to where we got through our discoveries. All right, so we’ve gone over the biblical origins. These are the origins of what bases what we’re going to say.
It’s not a demanded biblical doctrine that you have to agree with. It’s just the framework that establishes how we describe the next age, the purple, the next age, a shifted manifestation of God. First of all, God is not working with us the same anymore. No. How? In the biblical model, he worked with a nation externally and sometimes internally, and that’s proven.
His Holy Spirit 1.0 could be inside of internally, and that’s proven. His Holy Spirit, 1.0, could be inside of people, and we’ve proven that. But then when Christ came, it became that the Holy Spirit would move into people by faith, and that is how they would be saved from the afterlife ramifications of what waited them.
They started without having him, though. He would move into people. That’s why he told Nicodemus, you must be born from above to even see the kingdom of heaven. All part of that time. But because he has had the victory over sin, death, hell, and all things. And he said before ascending all power in heaven and earth has been given to me.
And Paul says that it’s all been put under his feet. We maintain, and we’re not unusual. The first chapter of the gospel of John says that he dwells, his light is in all men. We maintain like the Quakers that the spirit of Christ is in every human being now. This is a market difference. He’s in every human being.
We all have collectively and spiritually moved back to the Garden of Eden. We’re not physically there, spiritually, and we’re just choosing how to live. And God loves you if you choose him, and he loves you if you don’t. Does he reward you if you don’t choose him? No. He rewards people who choose him because living by faith is hard.
But that is where that’s a major difference is that subjective, personal, direct relationship between you, what you want to believe, your doctrine, your practice, and God. And we trust that that’s sufficient. The implications of that are insane because it means you don’t have to worry that your Mormon family is going to be condemned forever and ever.
That God’s working with them. You don’t have to worry that you have had it wrong, which you do. Like to think that you don’t right now is insane. I have it wrong right now, but he’s where he’s in every single individual. It changes everything.
It changes how we relate to people, the religious idea that you have to correct rather than love all this stuff. See, she, as the, uh, uh, immaterial architect gets down to the core essence and I ramble around the garden for weeks. No, it’s really good. I love that you can do this. Well, okay. So just to keep going with the pamphlet that you can download link in the description, uh, God’s in everybody.
Now, the spirit of Christ is in everyone’s heart. Now we live in a garden state. That’s the way we describe it. The spirit, the mechanisms going on in the garden with Adam and Eve are now spiritually in place today. That’s what he returned us to. Material’s over. What does that mean? It means that every single person, because Christ is in them, is choosing.
We have conscience. We could be raised by crack parents, addicted, and everything else. We could have our minds that are mentally ill. We can have wills that want to do evil, all of that. But in our heart, God has made a place that he’s calling to you. And it’s constantly saying, come to what I’ve done for you and we we believe everybody has that and because everyone has that God speaks directly to them no more do we need to say you need to repent you need to come to church you need to because God is in them directing and calling so the onus to convert is off us. The onus on us is to,
to love, to love. We’ll get to that more. But so what you just described describes a new sort of, point of significance in humans, a new separation of what we call material and spirit or, uh, heart and soul. So in the past, in the old age, the way you literally like washed your clothes and ate your meat, the literal way that you lived was the way that God understood your heart or something today, as God has worked with us across culture and time and space, the idea of material is so obscure that we have to reorient the way we talk about it.
Right. God does not care about, uh, your mind, will, and emotion. Even it’s not just what you wear and what you say, and he doesn’t even care. So you have split now, mind, will, and emotion and body, the constitution of the soul to be separate from your heart. Yeah. And that’s what God cares about. So do you want to just describe that more? So to use the two models, the orange and red is religion.
And religion wants your heart to be right. But it really can’t do anything about that because it doesn’t know. It doesn’t know. And it can only know through your actions and through your desires. And so it tries to shape those first. And so, and what she just said is we are seen and known by our bodies, our minds, our will, and our emotion. So we’re judged by that.
That’s religious and that’s of the biblical model. But the spirit of Christ in us is working on our heart. So what that says is I may be a prostitute that’s addicted to heroin that has no control over his or her life. Um, but I know there’s a God and I’m searching for him. That is what he seeks because his son took care of the prostitution, the heroin, the inability of our mind, will, and emotion.
He did that for us. But he doesn’t fix our hearts because that’s our domain. And that’s what we choose to do. And that’s what we are faced with in the garden. And that’s what you’ve been researching for a long time, I think. He came to this understanding of it’s fulfilled or I’m responsible or whatever, but to figure out the lines of that, where it’s like, religion’s telling you, if you think about a woman lustfully, you are evil, like meaning everyone is evil fully and not savable at all.
It’s like what, so you’ve been really searching out and the, so at the central division between yellow and purple is that all that matters is your heart. The one thing that no one else can judge you for, they cannot discern your heart by your actions. Even like, especially today, I think it’s clear i think that’s why we’re naming it as today is it’s the most obvious thing with social media with everything that we don’t know right from left with someone else’s life like and so that’s why we’re in the next age it’s finally like the world’s ready to move into a spiritual relationship with God that’s different.
Now, let me add a couple things. One is God cares about our mind, will, and emotion, but they are not primary because he works from the inward out. And not that the mind and will and emotion are not inward they are but his domain is to get our heart right forget us to want to choose to turn our hearts to him then he has the ability to start to gently improve our mind will and emotion so it’s not that he just says eat drink and be married do what you want because he knows that’s harmful to you.
Not because he cares about the eat, drink, and be merry. He likes eating, drinking, and being merry. But does your heart guide your priorities? Are you allowing me to help you with that? I just had to make that clarification. Yeah, and we’ve said as a shorthand, religion tries to change the heart by working on the soul and God or Yeshuans tries to change the soul by working on the heart.
Amen. That is a quote of quotes designed by my daughter. Okay. So the heart and the soul are established our heart is just a metonym for saying the thing our intention the thing we have control over when most of our body and our consciousness is not controllable to perfection at least that’s the caveat is to perfection uh so that heart now has to have intention in the right way or the wrong way or what so what is it that it’s choosing between it’s choosing between the way to life tree of life or the way to death the garden tree of life tree of knowledge of good and evil yeah and so like among uh hedonistic circles they have a
phrase the heart wants what the heart wants a man in his house living in a village he sees a woman who’s beautiful he can’t help what his heart wants his heart wants what the heart wants there’s no more true saying on earth because the heart does want what the heart wants.
The question becomes, what does the heart want most? When a man says, my heart wants that woman, and it wants her, irrespective of all the damage it will come to pursue her, more than how it wants God, we are then responsible for our actions. And that’s big in our assessment of the scripture. You are responsible before God for what you allow yourself to do based off the components of your heart. Yeah.
And that is a, that’s a tough thing. People that puts too much, you know, we want to point to a devil and all this. No, not anymore. So, and choosing between those trees doesn’t come with punishment. No. Just to reiterate, the choices are really about this life and what, like one leads to life, one leads to death, like death of the spirit, death of being in touch with spiritual things.
Like it’s, it’s not a punishment. It’s what you want or don’t want. It’s not fiery hell at the end of it. So can I expand on that? Yeah. I just want to say that we see two spirits in the world and the scripture confirms it. Spirit of man, our domain, what we do. Spirit of Christ. Spirit of Christ speaks to the heavenly kingdom.
Spirit of man, this world. They are separate. If you have the spirit of Christ growing in you, it might affect your spirit of man ways. But bottom line, God knows in this world, we need to have laws that are not necessarily reflective of his son’s attitude. We need to have punishments. We need to, that’s the spirit of man.
That’s religion. And he lets us do it. She’s talking about why we call it death. When you choose to live by the tree of knowledge of good and evil is because the fruit of it, your bank account, your wisdom, your logic, your popularity will not go with you from this realm to that. That’s why we call it the spirit of death.
It’s not because God’s killing you. It’s that that won’t go anywhere. Yeah. And how, why following Christ is eternal and is truth because it continues to live. So you might notice that in the purple age that we’re trying to describe, this next age, that Yeshuans are trying to live out now, it’s like a really hard dichotomy.
There’s like two things going on and our heart is just right in the middle of them, working on them throughout our life. And that’s it. And the two realms are the realm of this world, material, determination, time, spirit of man, tree of knowledge of good and evil. We literally live in this world. We have to live in this world. You have to engage with the spirit of man you have to have a job these are not evil things it’s just where your heart’s priority is and how you utilize them and that’s an individual decision the other dichotomy is the spirit of
christ it’s done it’s not giving revelations to people. It’s been complete. Where the spirit of man leads to pride and selfishness and this world, flesh. The spirit of Christ leads to love, humility. It’s the tree of life. That’s the dichotomy going on here. Our hearts in between them. And the whole thing is about what your heart is doing and figuring out your own heart.
Because we don’t even know our own hearts. Right with you. Okay. So that’s to say there’s a big idea about knowledge and faith. That this is faith that we’re going by. There’s not knowledge. Do you want to unpack that? Our knowledge is valuable here in the spirit of man realm and god has given us the need to pursue it so that we can create airplanes and and uh cures and all that stuff but um and he might assist us in that with the Spirit of Christ in us today to help us.
But the fact of the matter is, the Spirit of Christ will never govern a military. The Spirit of Christ cannot govern a police force. It has rules, laws, punishments for this world. The Spirit of Christ operates in a very different element and Chris the religion has put them together our job we believe is to say they are entirely separate so where our religion says you can’t be a good Mormon and own a bar God is like own all the bars you want because I want to know your heart yeah yeah the yellow has been people trying to combine the spirit of man and the spirit of Christ
in just a billion different ways. Billion. It’s, I don’t drink or you go to this temple or you believe in this, uh, Trinity or you, whatever. Like these are all material connection of the spirit of man and the spirit of Christ, the material, the spiritual, the yeshuan model moving forward is dividing that hard line between them.
Yeah. And as an individual figuring out where they merge, this is a collective thing we’re talking about. There’s no collective way of combining them. There’s no Christian politics. No, there’s no collective way of combining them. There’s no Christian politics. There’s no Christian whatever. Dress code, diet, way to live, lifestyle, sexuality.
You are responsible because you have Christ in you. He’s done all the work over here. It’s up to you now. If you don’t want him, you don’t want him. You want him, you want him you want and if you want him we hear we’re also here and we’ll talk about that in the future of what we help you with growing in principles well we we are gonna we will get into that all right so uh the last thing about this next stage is that all of this like we’re emphasizing this division it only manifests in relationships it manifests in your relationship with another person or entity or whatever it doesn’t manifest your heart doesn’t
manifest as collectively yeah i’m a mormon i’m a hindu whatever well if it does it’s from the spirit of man and it’s good for this world. But it’s your personal relationship with it. It’s not as a outward identifier for the world to judge you through this, this model and the heart deciding between the two dichotomies is about like using the world as you need to and without it having the connection to your eternal standing with God and and can I I’m sorry to make this I don’t know how long we’ve gone but
we’ve learned this as a family because we’re a different type of people I’ve learned this personally because I’m a very different human being. So I was living in a world that wouldn’t accept my differences. And so I was Mormon, I was evangelical. And I’m like, how come I have to become like you culturally in order to be perceived as one of you? And it was this kind of thing that we faced, and it’s written about and we talk about it, that started to show religion wants to control the body, mind, will, and emotion as much as the spirit of the heart
and just control it all where God has never had that intention. So I just want to say it came about because we don’t fit in with the way cultures work. Yeah, which is I think if everyone gets honest with themselves, they don’t fit in with the way cultures work. Yeah. Yeah. Which is, I think if everyone gets honest with themselves, they don’t either.
Like you have to tailor yourself to fit in. Which means lie, which means be inauthentic, which means bondage, which means no happiness. Which is fine in this world. But when it comes to religion, there’s a problem. Right. That’s the whole thing. I’m glad you made that clarification. Because we’re not rebellious for rebelliousness sake.
We like order. We’ll stay in line at the movies and pay our fees. It’s not that. Good. Sorry. Staying in line is a hard one. I’m kidding. Be polite to me, it is. Okay. So the whole thing here, January 6th, Okay, so the whole thing here, January 6th, is establishing the Yeshuan model of subjective faith in the next age.
That’s right. That’s a long way of, or a short way of describing all what we’ve talked about. The Yeshuan model, which we’re going to present now, of subjective faith, which we just described in purple in the next age, which is this purple, like that is what we’re focused on. We’re going to bring that into the world through Yeshuans starting today.
So the Yeshuan model, which I’ll just say, uh, is better known through a new course that you just put out new books that you just put out three new books and a new course that you just put out, new books that you just put out, three new books and a new course at yeshuans.faith. And it actually goes through it all. But, uh, the whole, the, maybe what’s behind the Yeshuun model, you’re about, you’ve, you’ve found in your own life that in an independent, direct relationship with Christ that we’re trying to promote, there is such thing as fortifying what you’re calling the autonomy of
man or autonomy of person. Like we do have a heart that’s autonomous and there is a way to fortify that and strengthen it toward different directions. Is that correct? Absolutely. And I’m sorry for jumping ahead of you. No, do it. Because I did a little bit. You’re fine. But that’s really what our focus has been fundamentally from the beginning.
That’s to take people who were having a Jesus experience and then just doing what Jesus said. They just fall away. And we’ve seen so much of that. Or they’re just locked in the pews paying money to a church to keep them feeling spiritual. And they think that that is what God wants. When we have discovered that the individual subjective choice to grow in the heart and then in the mind, will and emotion in ways, we can offer suggestions about what we think the scripture teaches.
And then you can apply those things to yourself or not. Does that make sense? Yeah, there’s an incredibly rich framework that you’ve laid out in the course that you’ve made. It’s free. framework that you’ve laid out in the course that you’ve made. It’s free. Just sign up for Yeshuans and you can take it. About growing in faith without religion.
I don’t know if you want to give away what it says or not. No, but we’ll just say this. It’s called the four L’s and the four traits. And we suggest that if you consider that content, you will then be equipped to grow as God wants you to grow in the spirit of his son without religion ever. And that’s what Yeshuans is. There’s the identity of being a Yeshuan, which is up to you to decide if you want to call yourself that or not.
And then there’s the practice of it, the organization of it. want to call yourself that or not. And then there’s the practice of it, the organization of it. And, um, the organization is, uh, has a lot of constraints on it. And we’re figuring that out.
It is not a religion, but we have an app and we’re trying to get this perspective out there, this biblical philosophy through education, through a school tv art programs there’s a lot going on on the yeshuans app this is our way of communicating a philosophy it is not a mandated religious doctrine that you have to agree to there’s’s forums, discussions, there’s all sorts of things. And that’s what we’re moving into.
We’re focusing on that. We’ve moved into it. We’ve never been about starting a religion. So I’m really glad you said that. And there’s a big focus now in 2026 to get it out there. We want to visit institutions. We want to engage with colleges and do all sorts of things to really get this understood from seekers, find seekers who would be interested in this.
And we understand that for most of the world, and we’ve learned this over time, they don’t care about our findings. And this plug-in for people is not going to work for most because most people aren’t true seekers. And so that’s why we say things like, if you want something that’s good for you and your family on this earth and it helps you here, well, stay a Mormon or be a Catholic.
We don’t care. God lets you and he’s going to judge your heart accordingly. That is a good institution. They do good, but they’re not true. They are not true. We are trying to show you what the Bible claims as truth with you deciding how you want to interpret it and apply it to your life. Yeah. So if you care about this, if you like what we’re saying, we’re working on it heavily at Yeshuans.
There are other people signed up for it that care about this heavily at Yeshuans. Great people. There’s a lot of ways to engage with it particularly a course series that leads you into being a part of our think tank which is the essentially our board um and that board does not agree with us on everything but we that doesn’t matter we it’s to talk about it and to move forward the best we can so much coming forward to talk to talk about it and to move forward the best we can. So much coming forward to talk to you about that has been going on that you
might not be privy to. I don’t know. Do we have, are you have more? Are we? No. So I just want to say now to apply it to what heart of the matter started out to being. It started out with me talking to LDS people here in Utah on the airwaves. Well, because that’s where I started and where I came from, and Delaney came from there instead of her sisters and mom, we’ve had a heart for the LDS.
And because we know, or we strongly believe, we don’t know, that this is Epiphany Day spiritually, where christ is rising up in the hearts of everybody in the world to bring more unity more peace love and understanding we thought this is concurrent with mormonism and some of their past teachings and so we thought well let’s go and let’s offer this package, this theological package, not operational, not governmental package, not material package.
They’ve got that down, but let’s offer this plugin to help them understand its value. And so several months ago, I went alone and I went with Delaney and I went with Mary and tried to rejoin the LDS church as a Christian. We’ll tell you all about how that played out, how they received our research and our findings and what the institution had to say about the plugin we are recommending for them and go from there. Are we good? Can’t wait to hear about it.
All right. You were there. I know. I mean, on the show. Hear you hear about it. I agree. Sorry. That was great, Del. I appreciate it. I love the format. I feel good about it. You and I are able to cover a lot and it’s not just me pounding away i think there’s something beautiful about the fact that you’re uh sitting in front of the uh the blue and i’m sitting in front of the orange and uh that we’re dad and daughter that your sisters are coming in and i just see so much going on and we do call this day the beginning of the end of material
religion we invite you all to be a part of that bye We’ll be right back. Outro Music you