Hebrews Chapter 7

Hebrews Chapter 7 | I Don’t Get The Bible

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All right, welcome to I Don’t Get the Bible with Delaney and Sean, dad and daughter. Delaney’s reading the Bible through the first time with, I’m sure she’s read through a lot of it in the past, or some of it through her religious upbringing, but never line by line and asking questions. We’re in Hebrews and we’re in chapter 7.
Just for a date, it is December 23rd. Third. 2025. 2025. Yeah. Time stamp. 10, 19 a.m. You won’t be seeing this, though, till probably the new year. All right. Happy New Year, everyone. Happy New Year, everyone. For this Melchizedek, King of Salem, priest of the Most High, who met Abraham, returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being by interpretation King of Righteousness, and after that also a king of Salem which is a king of peace
without father without mother without descent having neither beginning of days nor end of life but made unto like the son of God abideth a priest continually okay holy cow look out now all of that is about melchizedek yep which there are previous episodes where we talked a lot about melchizedek and and so in the last intention of it in hebrews but keep going in chapter five he said I’d like to talk to you about Melchizedek but I can’t because you’re not able to hear therefore you should put aside all these things in chapter
six and move on to being full fully equipped essentially is what it means teleates and then so now he mentions Melchizedek so now he starts talking about Melchizedek. Okay, I see. And he says, these things are hard to be understood. Peter says, Melchizedek, that Paul talks about things that are hard to be understood.
Well, this is hard to be understood so much so, what are these invasions of audio profanity? It is fascinating what the writer says about Melchizedek there. Okay. King of Salem, which he eventually says King of Peace. Yeah, because Jeru, Salem. Salem is the word for like Shalom, peace. So he’s the King of Peace.
King of Peace. Priests of the Most High. Met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him what what does that imply back in abraham’s day abraham went to war and uh and slaughtered the kings of a certain area and brought the booty with him and he met melchizedek on his return from that battle that’s how we first meet melchizedek so we first meet melchizedek is in abraham’s day okay and the mormons say he’s the son of noah his shim that’s who melchizedek was and many christians assert that yeah out of nowhere
yeah many people they say well he was a man you know he met he met abraham and he was a great man so great that abraham even paid tithes of the booty to him okay you know that’s why they say to whom also abraham gave a tenth yeah part of all yeah okay yeah and and and then other christians will use this as an example of why tithe is an eternal principle because before the law was instituted Abraham paid tithes so therefore we should be tithing today that’s very opportunistic isn’t it yes yeah that’s another thing that they say from this okay and then keep
reading about him first being by interpretation king of righteousness and after that also king of salem which is king of peace yeah how many people kings are kings of righteousness and kings of peace only one only one yeah let’s just use our brains this is a picture of the christ to come how does i don’t fully understand like how can you say there’s only one when they’re like christ there was only one eventually but there was another melchizedek because he was not a real man okay he was a picture or a type of the christ to come in the form of a spirit person who was
called king of salem and when abraham ran into him he’s like oh here i want to give you a tenth of this funny didn’t give him everything i know true so people say he was a real man. He was real. Why? Like, that to me would imply, like, Melchizedek is Yeshua. Like, why did people not start, like, worshiping him and doing all, you know? Because I don’t think he was a real man, so he wasn’t around to be worshiped.
He was what they call a Christophany, which is a made-up word, or a Theophany, a preexistent picture of the Messiah to come that Abraham was able to see. Now, Abraham saw other angels. He talked with them. So back in that day, there seems to be this open communication. And if you tell people, this was a pre-incarnate Christ, then they say, oh, so he was a person because he came down and showed himself as Melchizedek as if God can’t do all kinds of weird things with spirits and whatever.
But they want to make these little very small pieces of the puzzle huge. Yeah, very small. And just so I understand, the Old Testament on the whole, like the Old Testament as an example, when it talks about Melchizedek, does it say explicitly this is a prophecy of the Messiah? No. The Old Testament is just things that happen, but then they’re fragments of things that one put together make Christ point to Christ.
And a big fragment is this explanation of the writer of Hebrews of who Melchizedek was. Okay. But there were things that were explicitly like, this is a prophecy of the Messiah and what the Messiah will be like. There were explicit and then there were like picturesque. To be honest with you, Delaney, most of them have to come by interpretation.
Oh, yeah. There’s very few things really, if any, that say, and this is a prophecy of the Messiah. Okay. They have to be read and then looked over your shoulder and this is what bart erman the atheist now used to be a christian agnostic has now come out as not believing in god at all uh he says i just can’t believe it because they saw things in the scripture that erman didn’t see yeah so i get it so like jewish ideas of the messiah back then or right now are like culturally like uh opposed yeah like yeah they don’t obviously they don’t believe
that their scripture is describing our messiah right but there are reasons like you’ll you’ve said before like the jews thought it would be a material king and that sort like but was that like an inference made by the jews or did it did does the old testament say it will be a material kingdom like how do they because he was going to be born and because he was coming to them it was assumed he would be a king of the earth okay and god allowed them to believe that but there’s some passages that will subtly let you know yeah that’s not where his reign is going to be okay but they
just collectively said no we’re waiting for him to get us because that’s all they could think about was being rescued from their emancipated from their prisoners, the Romans and the Greeks and everything. So they always thought he was going to be material and they had good reason to. OK. Yeah. OK. OK, so back.
And keep going with it because it gets even heavier. So back. And keep going with it because it gets even heavier. Okay. After that also King of Salem, King of Kings. Without father, without mother, without descent. Okay, right there. I don’t know why we ever think we can call him a human. Melchizedek.
Yeah. No descent. No, but neither beginning of days nor end of life. Yeah. This is Alpha and Omega. Yeah. It’s so clear. of days nor end of life. This is Alpha and Omega. It’s so clear and yet what I’m saying is completely not completely but often just totally refused. Even by Christians? Even by some Christians.
They want to believe because it was a king. And so what they say was he was an actual king and Yeshua came to fulfill him like Yeshua came to fulfill King David. Christ was like David, right? The difference is no description of other kings say he didn’t have descendants, was without father or mother, without days, was the beginning and the end.
None of those things come. So to say those things drives me nuts. things drives me nuts so then you say so was there a pre-existent image person of Christ there was this was him but it wasn’t it was like his physical presence wasn’t in the, for the earth before. His physical presence was earthly. You get it? Yes.
Yeah. So it’s like what he saw, what Abraham saw there in Melchizedek was a spiritual form of what would be earthly later. But it doesn’t mean the spiritual form was him it just means it was a yeah i see okay like you’re trying to point out that what people say as christophanies aren’t literally christ right in advance and most believers because of the trinity automatically say that was christ it’s kind of weird weird. It’s like saying David was Christ.
Yeah, because… It’s like saying anything that pictured Christ was literally Christ. Do they think that? Well, they kind of think that, and there are passages, they don’t think it is Christ, but they think that they represented him in types and figures and shadows. And there are scriptures that kind of allude to everything we read about was Christ. And it is.
When Moses stretched his arms out and the nation would win in the battle, and then when his arms would drop, they would lose. That’s a picture of Christ. When they drew water from the rock, pictures christ melchizedek picture of christ yeah but that’s it’s odd to say that’s literally christ i know and that’s where zealotry and over a over uh zealotry leads us to start saying things because it sounds so beautiful that get us into trouble down the road when it comes to logic yeah for sure um also melchizedek he they say he’s a king of peace and righteousness he’s not a king of like
how does it speak of david king of probably like an area right oh he was king of israel king of israel yeah like to call melchizedek it’s like a king of a of a of a spiritual thing yeah of peace like and righteousness how do you grab that that especially in that time that’s a good insight too that those are traits they are not yeah like they the kings in the old testament are like known as kings of a certain time.
And there’s like history. Yeah. And isn’t this like a really fat, quick story where like. Pretty quick. There’s not all these things that Melchizedek was involved in. It’s a one-off. And it’s just with Abraham. It’s just with Abraham. Yeah. Like. And never again. Until we get to Hebrewsrews okay well um but made like unto the son of god abideth a priest continually yeah and so that is the thing that gives them the he was made like so he was a righteous king on earth that was in similitude of christ if that was it fine but i
don’t understand the not having descendants or beginning or ending of days and being the first and the last i don’t understand that so to take those statements and throw them away for the one statement that he was made i just think being made means god said i’m just going to make an apparition here to represent my son or christ said i’m going to make an apparition here to make represent myself yeah i think i don’t know i would not read that and think that was a person but when you just without knowing anything but it’s odd that you’re really um unique in that position
i’m not completely i but it just seems the general uh opinion is mccasick was a real man because if abraham gave him 10 of material goods so that that counters what you just said about righteousness and peace but like they give like they like kill animals and give it to god yeah like that doesn’t mean god’s a person right i don’t know that that was like the way that they interacted with the spiritual realm was giving it material things.
Yeah. Because like when Abraham and Sarah are doing something and angels show up to them and Sarah says, let me make you food. Oh, wow. Yeah. Because angels showed up as men. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Does that mean angels were men? No, they can just appear as men. Okay. And Melchizedek appeared as the king of righteousness. Yeah. Does that mean angels were men? No, they can just appear as men.
Okay. And Melchizedek appeared as the king of righteousness. Okay. But the coup de grace of that is what it says about his priesthood, the last line of the description. Yeah. Abideth a priest continually. Yeah, that means that he’s never not been a priest. I see. He has been the priest unto the most high god from the beginning and that means when you read his about his priesthood later in hebrews the way it’s described as he has a priesthood excuse me that’s not transferable the ironic priesthood
that came from aaron was transferable by the laying on of hands right but the Melchizedek priesthood it’s a priesthood that does not I thought it was Levitical it’s Levitical but uh Aaronic is one of the two one in the same Levitical and the priesthood of Aaron’s one in the same right right right but the Mormons are the ones that say that. The Mormons, yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. But the Melchizedek priesthood is not transferable.
It only goes from one who has it to one who has it, and they both have it. And that’s why I also think this is speaking of Christ. But when the Mormons say they have a Melchizedek priesthood, they make it transferable. They bestow it upon people, and we’ve talked about that in earlier recordings. I get the Mormon issues with Melchizedek, but Christians think Melchizedek’s a man, which you disagree with.
Do Christians think that Melchizedek is a picture of Christ? Yeah. Okay, great. Yeah, they think he’s a picture of Christ and they also see that his priesthood is not transferable okay yeah which is why you’ll never hear a christian talking about a melchizedek priesthood yeah totally okay but then it says now consider how great this man was i know yeah unto whom even the patriarch adam gave the 10th of the spoils.
That’s why Abraham. Did I read? You said Adam. You’re kidding. Wow. I’m eight months pregnant. It’s awesome. I’m glad we’re recording this. The little child’s going to be able to see what she took from her mother. She used to not forget a fact. Now she can’t remember where her belly button is oh my gosh now consider how great this man was that is a that’s kind of scary that it says man i know and because it says man so what man has so again maybe he was a man okay i can give he was a man okay no but he didn’t have
mother or father beginning of days he was in the image of a man okay oh yeah and to whom even the patriarch yeah abraham i almost said adam again wow gave the tenth of the spoils and verily they that are the sons of levi now he’s talking about the aronic priesthood yeah who received the office of the priesthood have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law that is of their brethren though they come out of the loins of abraham Okay, wait, explain that.
Okay, read it again. Consider how great this man was, Melchizedek, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave tenth of the spoils. Verily they that are the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, which is a different priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law that is of their brethren though they come out of the loins of abraham yeah because abraham’s a patriarch okay that’s a that’s a heavy one abraham is it trying at the very surface is it trying to say Abraham usually pays to the
Levites and he paid to Melchizedek and that’s the problem that’s that’s kind of what there’s also another side to it but I don’t know if I can see yeah so what he’s saying is melchizedek was not a he was not from a descent from anything whose whose descent is not counted yeah like doesn’t have to send yeah receives tithes of abraham right and and blessed him that had so abraham paid him tithes so he’s making a comparison of the difference between the levitical pre levitical priest taking tithes from
the people but abraham the patriarch paying tithes to melchizedek and i know it’s it’s it’s a tough people even though they’re from they’re ab Abraham’s descendants, it’s to Levi. But Abraham himself pays to Melchizedek. Right, to show how great Melchizedek was. Okay. Okay. And blessed him that had the promises.
And without all contradiction, the less is blessed of the better. The less is blessed of the better. And here men that die receive tithes, but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. And as I may say so, Levi also who receiveth tithes pay tithes in Abraham. It’s really a heavy one.
You got to parse it through and I can’t do it. But this is, okay, I have to remember, this is Paul talking to the Jews, saying, recontextualize it again. Earlier in Hebrews, he was saying, what was he saying about Melchizedek i’d like to talk to you about him but you guys are milk drinkers i can’t do it grow up okay once you grow up once you grow up this is the melchizedek i want you to understand and he explains why melchizedek was superior in terms of his priesthood because he received tithes from abraham who was a patriarch
and even though the levi levitical priests were from abraham and received tithes from the people where they came from father abraham he paid to melchized. So it’s this thing to just try to show you. And the point that Paul made was that Christ is Melchizedek, right? So like. He’s trying to show. The whole thing’s about Christ.
Yeah. It’s about Christ. But. Yeah. Okay. Real quick though. Without contradiction, the less is blessed of the better. Here, the man that die receives tithes. But here. But there he receiveth them of whom it’s witness that he lit. OK, so. That’s the same like comparison. There’s Levi and Melchizedek.
Melchizedek is people that received him paid to him instead of okay um levi also who receives tithes pays tithes in abraham for he was yet in in the loins of his father when melchizedek met him okay so therefore perfection were by the levitical priesthood sorry if therefore thank you boy you just scared me what bible version are you reading that’s a big if if therefore perfection were by the levitical priesthood. Stop before you keep going. Oh, okay. This is his point.
Yeah. They thought perfection could come by their priesthood and its structure. That’s what he’s saying to them. Which is right. And what he says is for people here that die. Yeah. Like it’s of this world. Yeah, it’s of this world. If therefore perfection whereby the levitical priesthood for under it the people received the law what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of melchizedek and not be called after the order of aaron why didn’t melchizedek even exist no he’s talking about christ there oh why did wechizedek even exist? No, he’s talking about Christ there.
Oh, why did we have another one come up who didn’t have any of this lineage? He wasn’t from the tribe of Aaron. Right. So he couldn’t even go in the temple. He couldn’t even offer sacrifice the way the priests of the nation could. It’s so funny because if I were a Jew, then I’d be like, yeah, that’s exactly why he can’t be the Messiah. Yeah. Like that’s so funny. Cause like, if I were a Jew, then I’d be like, yeah, that’s exactly why he can’t be the Messiah.
Yeah. Like that’s, yeah, it’s like, that’s a big thing to have to believe that he’s just of the order of Melchizedek. But if they knew their scripture and they didn’t start everything with Moses, giving them the law. And if they look backward, they could see. And that’s why the writer of Hebrews is telling them you guys love your Levitical priesthood but let me show you it’s order in all this it’s not what you think you should have been looking for the priest coming from Melchizedek this whole time
but as they grew as a nation under that law they continued to honor it more than anything else. But Melchizedek doesn’t have a lineage. That’s a weird thing. It’s a really important thing. Is that why Christians say he’s a David? No, Christ has a lineage. I know, but Melchizedek. Didn’t you say he does have…
Christians say he was a man that has a lineage. Yeah. He was not a man that has a lineage. Yeah, that’s… So if he was a man, fine, but he has no lineage, and that makes him different than all other humans. Right. But if he did, we could assume… If he was a man that did have a lineage, we could assume it would be in Christ’s lineage.
Christ would be in his lineage. Yeah. Which is in the same as David. The same line as David. Right. Christ is the same line as David. Yeah. Christ came from the line of David. That’s different from Aaron. Yeah. And by the way, from David and his relationship with Bathsheba, which was illegal, Christ came.
Yeah, that’s crazy. He came from Tamar and Judah having an illicit relationship. And then David came from that line. His lineage in this earth, as far as a man, was disturbing. Wow. He came from the riffraff of man yeah and so when you start to think that we need humans i know yeah christ was the guy who came in with nothing yeah people don’t acknowledge that very much no not just that he stood up for the people that were nothing but he was nothing nothing. He came from Galilee.
They had a stutter. It was like offensive to the Jews in Jerusalem. They hated their, it was like a lift. They had a lift. Oh my gosh, that’s weird. Yeah. That’s crazy. And he was considered such a joke. And like they said, your mother got mother got pregnant you know before she got married and he came in in every way in a manger and when people put pictures of him that look so I’m like you’re so sick you don’t know him they really don’t Christians don’t either at all um okay so for the priesthood being changed
there is made of necessity a change also of the law oh boy boom boom this is a really good isn’t it really you’re so smart i love talking with you because you’re like, oh, I get this. Not always. Are you kidding? It takes so long. I really like Hebrews, though. This is my favorite book so far. I can’t believe people don’t like it.
Well, we’ve come across some heavy ones. But it’s the most rich. it’s the most rich for the priest for he of whom these things are spoken pertain to another tribe of which no man gave attendance at the altar meaning the Melchizedek there was no like law going on for it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Judah of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Right. You’re from Judah? You don’t get a priesthood. Why? Because the line of Judah worshiped the idol along with all the other tribes. But Aaron’s tribe, they wouldn’t worship the golden calf. So God said, all the priesthood that was among the fathers of you guys is going to only to Aaron’s tribe.
They will be my priests. So even Judah, Judah wasn’t even allowed. And he says, Moses never said Judah had any right to being a priest. Didn’t you say that’s where Christ came from? Yeah. Came from the line of Judah. And it is yet far more evident for that after the similitude of Melchizedek, there arise another priest, Christ, who is made not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
For he testifies thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek. What is that from? That’s from David. Okay. David in Psalms says that. Okay, so there was an idea that there is an order of Melchizedek in the Old Testament. It’s not Paul just saying… No. Okay. But that order was A, non-transferable, and B, would only come to the Messiah.
Okay. Yeah. For there is a very, verily a disannulling of the commandment going before the weakness and unprofitable thereof. For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did, by the which we draw nigh unto God. So what he’s saying there is the Old Testament law of through could not do anything.
It was given to weak people that gave them all the. Yeah, it was unprofitable to them. The law made nothing perfect, but bringing in of a better hope did. That’s right. And that’s that that word better is the key phrase of Hebrews. He’s better than all the other stuff. Yeah, that’s does seem like what he keeps doing is saying, this is what you guys have been doing.
This is how Christ does it, but even better than you expected. And as much as not without an oath, he was made priest. For those priests were made without an oath, but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord swear and will not repent, thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.
So this is another reference to David where an oath was sworn that the Messiah would be after that order. But the Levitical didn’t have an oath because it was passed down. It had an oath. It says that in as much as not without an oath, he was made priest for priests were made without an oath. But this was an oath by him.
Oh, the oath, I guess it’s talking about God saying, I will make an oath that the priests of Levi will always be able to propitiate sin versus Christ was given the promise of God so I think that’s right the the Levitical people priests didn’t need it because they risked they inherited they inherited it yeah by so much was Jesus made a surety I’m just trying to finish this chat yeah it’s good by so much as Jesus made a surety of a better testament better again yeah and they truly were and they truly were many
priests because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death so the Levitical priests would die so they had to be replaced christ is better because he does not die okay yeah he’s not replaced i see but this man because he continueth ever hath an unchangeable priesthood that’s the one that’s not transferable unchangeable cannot change and that’s because he continues forever which is why there’s probably this weird thing about the trinity and him dying yeah and absolutely it’s part of it wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him seeing he ever
liveth to make intercession for them for so yeah for such a high priest became us he became a person who is wholly harmless undefiled separate from sinners and made higher than the heavens who needeth not daily as those high priests to offer up sacrifice first for his own sins and then for the people’s for he did once when he offered up himself for the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity but the word of the oath which was since the law maketh the son who consecrated forevermore that is
dislays him it dislays all the stuff he is the testament too he compares testaments he says you know and he’s our testament yeah the bible is not our testament he is our testament yeah he’s the new test the new covenant the better covenant i’m really curious how this wraps up because the whole sorry the whole thing with christians is that we’ve been reading all the letters and stuff of paul talking to gentiles about how to do church and like he’s not he’s probably never gonna tell the jews how to do church because all it is is
about deconstructing the law so So that’s really all that matters. Getting the Christian, it’s like the Christians needed, didn’t even know how to do anything. So they needed some. The Gentiles. Didn’t even know how to do anything. You are so right about that. I have never thought of that. Because he’s going to take us out to chapter 12, deconstructing, deconstructing, deconstructing.
That’s all that take us out to chapter 12 deconstructing deconstructing deconstructing that’s all that matters for the jews yeah christ came to and the christians are trying to construct construct construct which is what christians today read and care about they don’t read isn’t that fascinating that’s such a good observation. I’ve never thought of that. Well, it’s just the, no one ever cites Hebrews.
No one is because it’s like, this is at the core of what Christ did. It’s the core. And if you understand that, then you didn’t need any of those letters from Paul or anything. You could just. And that’s why if you’re ever talking to a Mormon, if they say, I want to know the truth, you go through the book of Hebrews. You don’t go through Romans.
Yeah. You go through Hebrews and that shuts down all of their fake priesthood stuff. And Christians don’t read it either. In the know Christians read it and they and they get it, and they understand. Read Hebrews? Yeah. Yeah. I don’t know. Yeah, that was chapter 7. Wow. The point of Christ, the point of what Christians should be believing with Christ is that he fulfilled what the Jews had set up.
So if you understand that he did that and how he did it, that’s what you’re believing in. Right. All of this stuff. I don’t know. I have to think about that. All this stuff about how to keep them pure for the second coming was just to reinforce that original point of how he fulfilled the law. And it’s so superfluous when you actually… This is getting to the quote, heart of the matter.
It is. And, and so the Christiansians have their what they call their new testament and they think they need to continue on and they don’t realize yeah and so and then they read the letters talking to a mixture of a jewish and gentile church trying to keep it together amidst great paganism and suffering and death.
That’s what Gentiles were caught up in. That’s right. All of it is about stay away from the philosophy of men. Yes. Stay away from homosexuality. All of it. Which is probably going on in the pagans. Oh, yeah. It’s all about that. Yeah. Not realizing that he’s the focal point.
And we’ve taken it off him and we’ve made it about his church it’s not true this is why what we talk about as yeshuans is spirit the spirit of him that’s what made me say that is because i’m thinking you’re like hebrews just destroys all of it it’s like yeah this is what yes you and talk about with believing in Christ is this work. And so what is it that Christians do? And it’s like they’re looking at the letters.
Yeah. I don’t know. Your understanding of Hebrews is really profound because it is really going to equip you. I would suggest you keep reading this book over and over again because it’s going to equip you to help them see what Christianity is today is not on point yeah but so many don’t know it and so when you bring it up they will be intimidated to be like well we don’t really know what that’s about that was written to Jews no we know what that’s about. That was written to Jews. No, we know what it’s about. It’s very clear.
I know. That’s what they say is we don’t really know what that’s about. Well, I mean, scholar sales, they know what it’s about and stuff. But like the common going to church on Sunday, playing church, Christian, they don’t know what it’s about. Yeah. The pastors should know what it’s about yeah they don’t but the pastors can’t extricate themselves from the other uh things paul and peter and john were telling the church in that day to do to stick together yeah by the way i just saw a stand-up comedy routine where a guy was like
i was at the holidays with my family i’m gay or whatever and my uncle came up and said don’t you care about what paul said to the corinthians about being gay and he’s like no i’m not a corinthian and i was like that is exactly right good point finally finally someone else said it that’s amazing that that logic is so clear.
I know. Wow. I mean, you guys, we’ve got to wake up. What Christ did for us is too big to get squandered down into these corners of don’t you? Oh, so bad. So bad. All right. Great one. Thanks for watching. Bye bye. Bye.