Hebrews Chapter 8

Hebrews Chapter 8 | I Don’t Get The Bible by Yeshuans

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I don’t get the Bible with Delaney and dad and listen Delaney is nearing perhaps the week she’s going to give birth so she is really pushing it through to get all this out to us thanks for doing this Del thank you and we haven’t had an episode in a couple weeks. Acid reflux, indigestion, baby is growing too big for the body.
It’s true. All kinds of things. Hopefully she comes soon. Yeah. It could still be a while. We’ll see. Okay. We are in Hebrews chapter 8. Okay. And let’s go. All right. Okay. Now of the things which we have spoken, so much of the last chapter was Melchizedek. Yeah. This is the sum. We have such a high priest who is set on the right hand of the throne of the majesty in the heavens, a minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched and not man.
Ooh, big time. Big time. So they had a tabernacle that Moses pitched, made. And Acts talks about how God does not live in temples made with hands. And so he’s saying we have a high priest like Melchizedek now who went up and he pitched his own tabernacle in heaven and he sits at the right hand of God.
Now the thing that Bible readers today don’t know is that Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15 that there would come a time when he would not be at the right hand of God, that he would leave that place. And that’s the day we live in now. But they still we as fulfillment believers think he’s on the throne yeah well i do that’s a personal thing of me because when it says that he left he he would be at god’s right hand until oh the man jesus until we have to say where did he go but Revelation talks about there being
one throne and one on it and I believe that that one on it is Christ fully God but that’s my belief and I don’t know if it’s true or not the right hand of the throne according to Christians today is him interceding on our behalf. Yeah. Always. But we’re not going, like, according to futurist eschatology, we are not going to that throne right now.
Like, we’re going to paradise or prison, right? right now like we’re going to paradise or prison right well no they they do not stand with we go to paradise or prison they say that christ took paradise to the kingdom and so they say that when they die they’ll be present with the lord in that kingdom. That’s what they say. But where it doesn’t make sense is that when he returns, that’s where it doesn’t work.
Because something different has to happen with that whole setup when he returns. When he returns for them. For them. Prison and where the Paradise people are right now will both go to the white throne judgment. That’s right. Yeah. So that’s where there’s an, uh, anachronism between their thinking and where it doesn’t make sense.
And that’s what we think happened. But, um, after the white throne judgment, say it one more time, you either go to the lake of fire right or the new jerusalem yeah like those are the options you receive your resurrected body and go to one or the other that was all for them in that day and we don’t even like if that like technically the lake of fire is still a part of today we don’t know when it talks about them taking their part in the lake of fire and revelation it was for them in that age i see and it was a temporary thing i tend to believe the lake of
fire is where god is because he’s a consuming fire and i tend to believe that the lake of fire is still the new jerusalem and what is in it him and that for people who go into it they have bodies that are capable of abiding in that lake of fire resurrected bodies and i think that’s where true believers will go but when revelation’s talking about the lake of fire as an option of where you go after the judgment back then was that a, uh, like punitive? It was, uh, the kind of the Catholic sense of purging.
Yeah. Uh, and that’s why the way it describes it in revelation is that they would take part in the lake of fire, which was made for Satan and his angels. So humans going to it, it wasn’t made for them. They would take their part in it but and it’s also in the presence of the lamb which is why i think that lake of fire is still where he is in the new jerusalem i guess i’m trying to figure out is the lake of fire discussed as like opposed to the new jerusalem ever like you get judged the Great White Throne and you either go here or you go here.
Is it like that? Or is it just everyone, you get judged and then you take your part in the Lake of Fire? That’s what Revelation describes. That’s it. It doesn’t say it’s like a here or the New Jerusalem. It doesn’t say that. Okay, okay. And the only ones who go to that lake of fire are those whose names are not written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.
The believers in that… Are not written? Not written in the Lamb’s Book of Life. They go to the lake of fire. Yeah, they go and take their part in the lake of fire. Yeah. And if it is… If your name is written in it… Then you enter into the presence of God, ostensibly, because I don’t think it says, and you enter into the presence of God ostensibly because I don’t think it says and they go to the presence of God I don’t think it says that okay okay I know there’s a lot yeah I don’t see how that I don’t see how the lake of fire is
in the presence of God at that time not at that time no at that time then. Not at that time. Oh, you think just it changed. No, at that time it actually was in the presence of the Lord and his angels. It says that. So even then the lake of fire was in their presence. Oh, okay. Yeah. And it was made for Satan and his angels.
Okay. I don’t know what that means. Okay. Jeez, that’s really complicated. Yeah, it does that means. Okay. Yeah. Jeez. That’s really complicated. It does get complicated. Okay. Um, so right hand of the throne of the majesty of the heavens, a minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle, true, which the Lord pitch and not man.
Right? So that automatically takes Mormon temples because acts says god does not dwell in temples made with hands he dwells in the temple that christ pitched yeah which is clearly not on this earth right it’s at the right hand of the throne or wherever it’s up there.
It’s that I feel like that disproves a lot of any like material idea of the kingdom being here. For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices. Talking about human high priests of the old Testament. Wherefore it is of necessity that this man have uh have somewhat also to offer so christ he went yeah oh yeah for if he were on earth he should not be a priest seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law who serve under the example and shadow of heavenly things.
As Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle. So again, Moses was commanded to make a material tabernacle with specifications, obviously on earth. Yeah. Yeah. And that’s just a picture of the fulfillment in the heavenly realm for see saith he that thou make all things according to the pattern showed to thee in the mount that’s what he told moses oh that’s what he told Moses. Oh, that’s what he said. Yeah. Okay. I need those clarifications because I would not know what that means.
Yeah. Okay. This is a tough, he talks tough in this chapter. The citations, it’s just not having read the Old Testament much. Yeah. But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
So if the Old Testament and the law worked, there’d be no reason for Christ to have come. That makes me believe that it’s speaking specifically to them then and not to us today that that is what he did it for it was a better covenant than what they had but that’s fulfilled and now we live in the glory and blessing of that fulfillment for sure and not like also it’s to the hebrews yeah like it’s yeah people overlook that entirely yeah honestly the lot it’s like people literally think that bible is all these
years of like quickly changing events and then the last 2,000 years have been the same yeah of just the same waiting we are still the same people as those 2,000 years ago with relation to the Jews of that time like it’s so crazy I’m so glad you see that because when you can see that now that you have some background you can see how clear it is and how wrong we have been.
And yet we’re the outliers. Yeah, we are. It’s so deep in like the social, even non-Christians assume it of Christians. It’s just about this eternal logic, whatever. about this eternal logic whatever um for finding fault with them he says behold the days come say it the lord when i will make a new covenant with the house of israel and the house of judah not according to the covenant that i made with their fathers in the day when i took them by hand to lead them out of the land of egypt because they continued not in my covenant and i regarded them not say the lord for this is the
covenant that i will make the house of israel after those days sayeth the lord i will put my laws into their minds and write them in their hearts and i will be to them a god they shall be to me a people they shall not teach every man his neighbor and every man his brother saying know the lord for all shall know me from least to the greatest for i will be merciful to their unrighteousness and their sins and their iniquities will i remember no more there it is man my gosh yeah what do you want yeah i have trouble though because
i like i heavily put all this in the context of him talking to the jews and that’s who he is talking to there yeah yeah and so but when we’re talking about him directly writing on the hearts of individuals, it almost seems like he did that only for the Jews. And there is a good kind of reasonable basis for you to have that thought because this was written to Jews.
They’re citing the Old Testament. He’s telling them this is, this is what was given to them, uh, after they broke the first covenant with God. Okay. So this is what was given to them, but it was also given, added to Gentiles and given to Gentiles as well that’s what like with fulfillment in mind preterism fulfillment in mind it um what was i trying to say i pregnancy i lost my sorry guys baby with fulfillment in mind it makes you have to re-look at what the point of a Christian what Jesus did for Christians
like it really makes you think Jesus is just for Jews and I have to like re-read the Paul stuff to understand what it is that he did for like the Gentiles of that day and then us now and the stuff that we talk about happening and being specifically to jews and even gentiles back then before we came and took them it’s conjecture on our part that it still applies to us it’s all conjecture from a fulfillment perspective.
That Christ’s work applies to us? Yes, it’s all conjecture because it’s obviously contextually first to the Jews under the law, then it was to Gentiles who were invited in. But if he came back and took his bride and that ended everything in the biblical narrative, the question becomes, well, then how can you even talk about us being involved with God? There’s only a few scant references that support my conclusion that we are still in relationship with him.
One, he saved the sins of the world. Okay, past, present, and future. Why is that past, past present and future why is that past present and future because he says he saved the sins of the whole cosmos and it wasn’t just of the economy or gay area the whole world there are passages I can’t cite it now that talk about it being all sin past present and future it doesn’t say past present and future but it says every sin that Adam brought into the world okay okay the the but the main one that I stand on
is that Isaiah said his kingdom will have no end the increase of his kingdom will have no end. That’s the one that makes me say, if it’s increasing and it has no end, then we are still part of that kingdom going into the finished work of what he’s done. It’s not really a well-supported idea. And so then I have people who have embraced fulfillment and and you know like our good friend mark and they’re just like it’s it’s it doesn’t matter everything is done it’s over but they will also say i still believe in god and we have a relationship with him but
they don’t have really anything to go by and that’s why there’s a whole movement called israel not only because they say that book was written only to Israel. And it makes a lot of sense. But when you have passages that says. Even the New Testament. Israel only is that even the New Testament. Yeah. It’s everything Israel only.
It is absolutely correct. Except for those few things where he says. And then when you read the end of Revelation where the bride and Christ say, come drink freely, all who want that, those things lend me to believe. And one final thing that God doesn’t change in terms of his desires.
And so we are not lesser human beings than israel was yeah so you have to believe that we are and don’t matter if it’s israel only and i won’t accept that in terms of what i understand about the scripture so there’s flat out you’re facing what this leads to if you if you ignore those little simple things I just used to justify it. Okay, wait, but so there’s the idea of Israel only that, and does that mean that like Christ’s work, like Christ only saved Israel? Yeah, they’ll say that because he was obedient to the law.
Okay. And Gentiles were not given the law. So he’s Israel only. So, okay. Then there’s the idea that he was, it’s not just Israel only, but that he’s for Gentiles too. But just of that time, it’s finished, not for us now. People will take it to that extreme. That’s probably like Mark. Mark probably thinks that.
Where… Okay. And then there’s Christ did the work for Jews and Gentiles of that time. And I’m trying to see. And the world. And the world after. Yeah. He fulfills it. For all. Yeah. So what’s the difference? Like, I guess that’s the difference between you and Mark. He doesn’t think that Christ did any work for him.
He does, but he thinks it was done through the nation of Israel and the Bible just does not have anything to do with us today. I see. Well, so people ask, why do you keep teaching the Bible, Sean? Yeah. You know, for principles. Yeah. That’s me saying, if God said not lying is good, I’m going to keep teaching that not lying is good. And it is definitely from me.
Well, okay. But you and Mark are probably on the same page that Christ’s work is finished. Yeah. The work is finished. It’s just that we can keep growing and you think we can keep growing in that work or something i think that maturing in our spirit is part and parcel of god’s plan for the world that’s why we have the biblical record of all he did okay and that’s associated with the increase of the kingdom yeah like that’s what you never call the increase of the kingdom because as people today and a hundred years ago and two thousand years ago came to faith and then matured in the
principles of that we talk about they entered through the kingdom because the the kind of the rational response is well if that’s not true why didn’t the material world entirely end when he came and took his bride you know who are we chopped liver does god not have any you know and so i have trouble billions of people billions yeah i have trouble with that just because it seems like god it’s not like god stopped existing. Right. And his creation kept existing.
Right. And Adam and Eve, the first parents of the whole world, were not Jews. And there were no Jews until the law came. That’s true. So the whole world then was under trouble. Yeah. That actually, that’s almost more of a point to me than the increase of the kingdom because which i was going to ask on these the verses we just read like he says the first covenant was not faultless and it always i always think about like the fact that he gave them a law knowing it wasn’t going to work kind of yeah like and then he didn’t even give them that law at the start like it was an evolution
of that law yeah so so when you say he gave them the law that he knew wouldn’t work why didn’t it work well it was like it’s the same like thought experiment as did he know adam and eve were gonna sin or not like i think it’s a little different here’s why paul says the law was given uh to be a schoolmaster to lead the Jews to see their need for a Messiah because they could not obey that law.
Okay, so it did work exactly in the intention. Yeah, it worked in the intention, but it didn’t work to save them. They thought it worked to save them in their own righteousness. Is that clear in the Old Testament though? Or is that just Paul? There’s little, uh, inklings that come out in the old, uh, because it’s cause like Micah says, and what does God want? He wants a contrite heart and a, um, humble spirit.
That’s all he wants, you know. But the law and everything else was a means to get them to kind of start looking to him humbly and doing what he says. So it’s a lot of spokes to the whole center thing. What was God doing? But it wouldn’t be understood if it weren’t for like the Abbasal record. You’d never understand it.
You’d never understand it if you just like the Apostle of Cricut you’d never understand it you’d never understand it if you just had the Gospels you could have all of the Old Testament and the Gospels and you’d just never understand what was going on you don’t think that you could read the Gospels and like Paul like associate the two and start to like figure out what the point of Christ was? I think you could, but there would probably be endless division on your interpretation of it.
I’m not saying it’s impossible, but it seems like God called Paul, who was a Jew of Jews who knew the law, to come forward and explain it because the Jews were still of the opinion. We’re the cat’s meow and no one comes in here. And Paul came along and showed them, look at, you know, God can make stones, the sons of Abraham. You’re not that important.
That’s another thing too, is Jews and Muslims also don’t have anything in the last 2000 years. No. It’s not just Christian. Like everything stopped with this lineage of- All of it. Like prophecy and stuff at the destruction. Like that says so much. Except Islam came after the destruction, I’m pretty sure.
Oh. So much. Except Islam came after the destruction, I’m pretty sure. Oh. The Arabs, they existed. But it was Muhammad who came forward as their prophet, said that I’m receiving visions in a cave from a Gabriel. And he took a wild nation of the other sons of Abraham, and he collected them under the banner of Islam.
Like Joseph Smith. Like Joseph Smith. And they call the Quran the most correct book on the face of the earth and the Mormons call the Book of Mormon the most correct book on the face of the earth. Wow. I didn’t really put together that Islam is so related to Mormonism in that way. It is so tied to the same template that Muhammad came up with.
Smith came up with the same template, but he borrowed Christ for it instead of the God of the Old Testament. The law, all of it. And it coming from like new prophet, basically. We did a whole show on it back in the televised days mormon and islam and i give about 20 comparisons wow i’m seeing i’ve seen some things on social media where like people have made that relationship but i didn’t understand where that came from yeah um well my connection is lost so i need to go over to the computer but did we not record any
of that no it’s recording i just the i see it remotely here oh anyway um that was the end of the in in that saith he saith a new covenant he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Yeah. And so he says it right there to Jews. It is waxing. It means it’s falling apart and it’s going to vanish.
We have Christians today who say we should follow the Ten Commandments. Yeah, that is so insane. So. That is so insane. Does that wrap up eight? All right. It does. That’s that is so insane. That is so insane. Does that wrap up eight? Alright. It does. That’s a really good chapter. Okay, I’m gonna go. Thanks, guys.
Turn it off out here. Oh, here, go this way, honey. Delaney’s tough. She’s gonna have her baby sideways.